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18 Mpixels, 8 fps, 900K pixel 3" LCD, 1080p and 720p video modes, ISO 12800 ...
price not yet announced, but looks like a big cousin to the Canon EOS 50D
www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos7d/
price not yet announced, but looks like a big cousin to the Canon EOS 50D
www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos7d/
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 10:38 PMSpecial note for Brad: 19 AF points, but still in a diamond.
They did not use the Brad Dosland AF pattern, alas.
But this is a huge step up from the 9-point diamond, which is large enough to let belly dance troupe girls through ...
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:21 AMActually, the 7D makes great strides (which could be expected in an APS-C format), actually hitting more of the suggested focus points...
(updated diagram posted here digitalslr.tribe.net/photos/...4ee1b0f6 ) -
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Tue, September 1, 2009 - 1:15 PMYes, I was thinking it looked pretty good in terms of coverage. Plus, all the points are full cross-points.
This camera appears to be the definitive answer on: 'No, the APS-C sensor technology is far from dead.' There also some new lenses out too, of course.
And this camera also has amazing features, like a digital level, totally helpful for those long belly dance festival days staring at the edge of the stage to obtain a reference line.
I'm also thinking this would be a way cool astrophotography camera, due to the resolution, the helpfulness of the FoV cropping (1.6x optical magnification with zero loss ... makes a 1000mm f/5 telescope a 1600mm f/5 telescope), and super-high ISO ... incredible!
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Mon, August 31, 2009 - 10:42 PMMore feature reviews, including image tests with a beta camera from Rob Galbraith:
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Tue, September 1, 2009 - 11:03 PMMichael, Do you think they will have a firmware upgrade from Canon to take advantage of the accelerometer in the 5D mark II for example so that as the orientation of the camera changes, the selected focus point/group will rotate with your rotation so you don't have to keep changing the focus point as you go from portrait to landscape for example?
I have to admit, I'm actually pretty mad that they just came out with a 19 point AF system on a new camera when the 5D II is less than 6 months old (roughly) with a crippled and antiquated 9 point AF system. I love my 5D II and the two major issues I have with it have been corrected in this new 7D which is AWESOME so far as the reviews I'm reading. But not Full framed .... I would be furious if they came out with... for example a Full Framed 3D camera in 6 months with the features of the new 7D...
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 10:10 AMStone,
Your speculation on the accelerometer in the 5D Mark II is more informed than I even knew, so I would not be able to comment authoritatively. Some quick research indicates that the main consumer clamoring on 5D Mark II features that caused Canon to release a firmware upgrade this Summer was to enable manual control for the video mode.
I do feel your pain wrt to model upgrades though!!
Except for the 1.6x FoV cropping factor, and ultimate build quality, in many ways this camera is superior to my 1Ds Mark II, which used to be a flagship camera. OTOH, the 45-point AF ellipse on this camera still works excellently well, and I suspect that battery life is better than for a 7D. At the same time, the tiny LCD display is annoying compared to modern cameras like the 7D.
The 7D also comes closer to my 1D Mark III, again except for cropping factor (1.3x vs 1.6x) and build quality. The 7D apparently has 100mS viewfinder black-out time, and can work at 8 fps. Depending on what's going on, I have the 1D Mark III programmed for both 6 fps, or 10 fps. And again, the much larger AF ellipse is helpful compared to the 19 point AF on the 7D. I don't think the 7D could have anywhere near the battery life though. I regularly get 10000 shots at festival gigs using the LP-E6 battery on the 1D Mark III, it's a true workhorse.
Still ... the 7D has several upgrades, it's tantalizingly close, and it's less costly ... (I've later learned body-only SRP is ~$1600).
Blessings and Light,
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 12:27 PMyea the other thing that I was shocked about was it has TWO Digic 4 processors, not just one... now why couldn't they give the 5D II TWO processors and make the frame rate better... I mean I get price points, but I guess I feel like a kid who got jipped LOL. Anyway we'll see. That accelerometer factor is great and I really look forward to having that on mine, I'm constantly turning my camera from horizontal to vertical, and it would be great if the AF point I've selected would follow me so I wouldn't have to re-adjust ever time. -
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 10:09 AMLooks like 1900$ with the kit lens.....
I think this is what im gonna make my 1st Pro camera.....
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 10:09 AM
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 2:47 PMStef that is pro only if your client accepts non-full frame, if you need full frame, meaning large prints at 300 dpi and above 7d may not be for you also full frame takes advantage of full frame lens not the other way around without cropping factor. -
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 10:31 PMHmm,
Abject, I would disagree. The cropping factor is only salient really at the extreme wide-angle end, in terms of lens coverage. Using less of the lens toward the center is actually using the best portion of the optical path.
Instead, I would assert that what determines suitability for large print size is the number of pixels, not strictly how they are obtained. With the EOS 7D's resolution of 5184 x 3456 pixels, a 300 ppi uncropped print can be made up to 17.28" x 11.52" (alternatively, 438.9mm X 292.6mm) without any pixel interpolation. This camera has more resolution, hence suitability for larger prints, then my EOS 1Ds Mark II full-frame camera. In fact, with the 7D image, one could crop ~4% around the edge and still have a photo equaling the EOS 1Ds Mark II's resolution of 4992 x 3328. This professional camera I assure you allows fine large prints, I did very clean 19" x 13" prints with it (using 262 ppi).
The EOS 7D would more likely have more tonal range though, because it has 42-bit color (14-bits RGB), compared with the 1Ds Mark II's 36-bit color (12-bits RGB).
Now, you actually mean professional full-frame in terms merely of higher resolution, then a camera like the EOS 1Ds Mark III would indeed meet your criterion, and it would allow nicer large prints. With somewhat higher resolution at 5616 x 3744 pixels, the EOS 1Ds Mark III allows 300 ppi uncropped prints to 18.72" x 12.48" (or 475.4mm x 316.9mm).
This EOS 1Ds Mark III is a much pricier camera though, and it's resolution is really only (1.08)^2 = 1.17x that of the EOS 7D. Not really a lot different ... you need 4x the number of pixels to have a resolution change remarkably large like ~2x. What makes the EOS 1Ds Mark III a professonal camera is that it excels with a much stronger imaging system and build-quality. All that 1.17x more resolution with these features comes at a huge price premium.
Interestingly enough, at present, in the prosumer to professional category, in a 35mm system configuration, only the Sony A850 DSLR allows enough resolution to absolutely cover 13" x 19" (330.2mm x 482.6mm) prints. It's 6048 x 4032 resolution allows 20.16" x 13.44" (512.0mm x 341.3mm) prints. It does appear that the Canon EOS 7D and Sony A850 are fairly compatible market entries, with pricing at approximate parity. The resolution difference between these cameras is clearly favored by Sony, with (1.16)^2 = 1.36x more resolution.
Blessings and Light,
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 11:35 PMIn my post, I neglected the Sony A900, which has the same resolution as the A850, and also is a more expensive, fuller-featured camera.
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 10:34 PMWow, that is so not true. Full-frame/crop sensor makes absolutely no difference in the size of the final print. -
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Re: Brand New Canon EOS 7D
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 11:41 PMPatti is right, (and as I explained above...) full-frame vs cropped sensor is immaterial to the size of a print.
Thought I'd also mention that I've made some incredible 13" x 19" prints using only a 8.2 MP Canon EOS 20, a camera also with a 1.6X FoV factor. It was really uncanny how much "more of the photo" you can see in a large print, because it's image content not easily visible on a computer screen. This makes sense, because print imaging systems can offer ~600 ppi (and more), whereas computer monitors are nominally ~96 ppi.
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