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The latest Ritz e-mail flyer pitches a couple of Canon dSLR deals, so if you hypothetically didn't currently have a camera, which would you buy for $800:
- Canon EOS 30D w/50mm f/1.8
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- Canon EOS Rebel XSi w/18-55mm f/3.5-5.6
No fair adding more horses to this race, choose between these two options please.
- Canon EOS 30D w/50mm f/1.8
or
- Canon EOS Rebel XSi w/18-55mm f/3.5-5.6
No fair adding more horses to this race, choose between these two options please.
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Re: Which Would You Rather Have...
Sat, August 2, 2008 - 11:58 AMDefinitely the Canon EOS Rebel XSi w/18-55mm f/3.5-5.6, it's an incredible deal.
It has 14-bit color (e.g. 42-bit RGB, 14-bits x 3), camera raw, a DIGIC-III processor, 12.2 megapixels ...
At the same ISO, a higher-resolution camera has to have less noise to be effective, so at ISO 1600 the XSi should be quite good compared to the 30D. And 12.2 megapixels is a lot more than 8.2 megapixels, even though the linear resolution increase is of course comparatively only the square-root of the number of pixels. Here's how they compare:
30D: 3504 x 2336 (8.2 MP)
XSi: 4272 x 2848 (12.2 MP)
The XSi is not as robust as the 30D, and with the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 lens kit, it's not as good for low-light. That's really only wrt the lens alone. In terms of the camera, one could just add the Nifty Fifty for cheap ... That would be a far superior solution for low-light, camera body robustness aside.
But compared to the 30D, because there is 12.04 dB more signal available (e.g. 2-bits worth) for each tristimulus color RGB, there is a lot more tonal range available, esp. for highs and lows. This makes for an all-around great camera, for daylight location use, landscapes, portraits, studio lighting, interiors, and so on. The algorithms for demosaicing for just using JPEGs are also later-edition than the 30D, and work faster with the DIGIC-III processor.
The 30D is a faster camera, in terms of shutter lag and frame rate, and it would auto-focus faster and more reliably. It's a moderate upgrade of the venerable 20D. Of these two, the 30D camera would be superior for fast action situation (with suitable lenses for venues of interest...), but that capability would have be at the expanse of tonal range, color quality, and cropping ease of the resulting photos, compared with the deeper color and higher resolution of the XSi. In some situations though, like belly dance, if you don't have fast performance, advanced imaging is useless, because you quite often cannot get the shot, due to shutter lag.
Here are comparative reviews on dpreview.com
www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/
www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS450D/
Blessings and Light,
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Re: Which Would You Rather Have...
Mon, August 4, 2008 - 2:04 PM<<because you quite often cannot get the shot, due to shutter lag.>>
With all due respect, especially since we both often shoot dancers. . .I feel it's more a matter of understanding their movement and knowing as they begin a turn, where they will be as they go through it, as well as the relative speed of the shutter.
But I've only shot digi with a 20D and 40D.
I was hoping to buy another body, perhaps a Rebel, that would use the same lenses but would weigh a lot less. I hate the compromise of extra weight for extra quality. But you put forth a convincing point why it's worth it. -
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Re: Which Would You Rather Have...
Mon, August 4, 2008 - 4:16 PMMeh: I don't like those horses.
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Re: Which Would You Rather Have...
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 11:19 AMSoooz, certainly meant no disrespect. My sincere apologies if my comments read off harsh.
I do agree with you. The best photography possible is from understanding what you're looking at. In fact, in order to become a better belly dance photographer, I have actually taken belly dance class. Plus I "trained" while photographing for several belly dance instructional books and videos. I learned a lot doing this, which was part of my learning goal to overcome ignorance about The Dance. I'm certainly not a dancer, but my shimmy is getting better; just wish I could layer even 2 things at once, and do the footing for traveling that doesn't suck, LOL. However, I have learned to understand diverse belly dance styles, fabrics and costumes, use of props, how the dancer moves within a style, and how to read a dancer's unique movement vocabulary, relatively quickly. So, I totally agree with you: knowledge is power.
When I mean "getting the shot" in this context, I'm talking about significantly more precision in the "look."
For example, precise phasing of the dancer's position ... I can now specifically choose at will the angle where her face, flying hair, flying beads, jewelry, and other costume parts go in the shot. Sometimes, I can get up to three shots during such a turn, lift or drop. In other instances, like Shoshanna's Four Yard Veil, the moments to see like this go on for large fractions of seconds, it's breathtakingly beautiful to capture, but each moment itself is quite small.
I loved both my venerable 20D's, and even burned one out doing belly dance work, it was at like 250000 shutter activations. I'd like to offer this sample photo, which even with a prepared mind, I just could not have possibly done with a 20D:
tribes.tribe.net/michaelba...4dd783662d
I totally feel your pain on the extra weight, and I just don't much of an answer for that as such. I will say that it has been providential that my 1D Mark III weighs about 1/2 pound less than my 1Ds Mark II, which positively feels like a behemoth these days. That makes a day wear much better for sure! I wrote elsewhere on this Tribe about the absolutely incredible batteries in this camera system. Speed aside, and while not being particularly rough while working, I personally found that pro-sumer Canon gear is not tough enough for belly dance, and the environmental issues do matter. I've been to countless halls that were at elevated temperature, which reduced performance. Or on trips at higher temperature and high humidity for a show. I really much appreciated the tougher camera bodies in these instances.
The 20D is a fine camera, and I would think that the 40D is as wonderful ... I did have numerous belly dance tricks with the 20D I can share with you, if you have interest. Pretty sure they are applicable to the 40D or a Rebel XSi. Just send me a PM, delighted to share anything I know.
Wish you well!
Blessings and Light,
M
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Re: Which Would You Rather Have...
Tue, August 5, 2008 - 8:18 AMPersonally? neither.
I don't see the point of buying the 30D when for a bit more you can find a good deal on the 40D, which is a fantastic camera. The 50mm f1.8 is nice, but its only $80-$100, so its not like you're getting a fantastic deal there or anything. They're trying to push out their stock of 30Ds and really, that's not as cheap as they could go.
I'm shooting with a 40D right now, so going back to the plastic body of the Rebel series would kill me. The XSi is a good camera if you're buying your first. The kit lens, though, sucks.
So if you can't go a bit higher in price and get the 40D, I would recommend the XSi with the nifty fifty. Also, look at other lenses, like the Tamron 24-135, or the Sigma and Tokina pieces. Read reviews and see what others think of them, but there are some really nice lenses around. I have the 24-135 Tamron as my walk-around lens, and its really good. Especially since i got it for $200.