Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

topic posted Tue, August 26, 2008 - 12:57 AM by  Brad
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On the eve of the big Photokina show in Germany, Canon has announced the successor of the popular 40D, the unsuprisingly named 50D. With most of the features of the previous prosumer models in the lpine, the 50D adds:
15.1 Megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor
6.3fps continuous shooting, max. burst 90 JPEGs with UDMA card
DIGIC 4 processor
ISO 100-3200, expandable to 12800
9-point wide area AF
3.0” Clear View VGA LCD with Live View mode & Face Detection Live AF
Magnesium alloy body, with environmental protection
HDMI connection for high quality viewing and playback on a High Definition TV

More at:
www.dpreview.com/news/0808...eos50d.asp
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Brad
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  • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

    Tue, August 26, 2008 - 4:20 AM
    Brad,

    You beat me to this! Tribe was down, then I feel asleep, LOL.

    Here's a hands-on preview over at dpreview:
    www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos50d/

    Extrapolating a typical trend with Canon, their new prosumer model emerge with numerous new features. Then new professional models follow with these updated features, but these are integrated with the build-quality, durability, and other aspects of the professional body. I'm a little perplexed as to what this could be, because the 1Ds Mark III would not really seem in need of updating. For the 1D Mark III, an upgrade to Digic 4, faster still frame-rates, more pixels, and 2x higher ISO (to ISO 12800) seems plausible. This idea is only a guess though, not any sort of prediction.

    From an alternative angle, this model does seem to be an answer for recent competition from Nikon, and perhaps Sony.

    Blessings and Light,
    M
    • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

      Tue, August 26, 2008 - 9:01 AM
      15 megapixal but still not full frame ?
      I don't get it.
      • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

        Tue, August 26, 2008 - 9:59 AM
        I guess Canon's looking to drive two form-factor lines when it comes to sensors: the APS-C line for consumer/prosumers (with the double- and triple -digit naming conventions) and the full-frame line for the prosumer/professionals (with the single-digit and Mark-series lines). When selling across multiple market segments, one of the largest challenges of marketing products whose prices are not strictly determined by cost (as proven by previous models that were simply crippled revisions of up-market products) is creating significant enough differences to warrant various price points while delivering a feature-set to compete with other brands' like offerings. While sensor-size is one of the few true cost factors in assembling the actual product, it also is the most concrete differentiator in the line divisions.
        • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

          Tue, August 26, 2008 - 1:32 PM
          Another differentiating factor is that Canon is also keeping the APS-C (1.6X FoV) camera line well-served by fairly decent lenses. These EP-S lenses do not work on professional cameras, only the APS-C cameras. A completely new one was introduced with the 50D, and it has incredible range, if modest aperture.

          www.dpreview.com/previews/...p5-5p6_is/

          Blessings and Light,
          M
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            Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

            Tue, August 26, 2008 - 5:48 PM
            But.................................................


            What exactly makes this more compelling than anything going on by any of the main players in the last year or so?

            I'm not seeing anything to make me include it in the short list.

            ~V~
            • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

              Tue, August 26, 2008 - 8:41 PM

              > What exactly makes this more compelling than anything going
              > on by any of the main players in the last year or so?
              > I'm not seeing anything to make me include it in the short list.

              It's a bump in the MP's, and the fps... I *think* it puts both at or near
              best-in-class, at the moment (wasn't Sony's a350 (14MP) previously
              best?). Obviously, such "moments" (of being best-in-class) are very
              fleeting these days... And, of course, those particular specs may
              well NOT be "more compelling" to you, or worthy of your shortlist.

              The MP isn't a biggie for me, but the fps would merit a long look
              before I took it off of my own shortlist.


              - Steve
            • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

              Tue, August 26, 2008 - 10:22 PM
              It seems like people on this particular path of canon products are either on the even-numbers or odd-numbers... If you had a 20D, the 30D wasn't enough to warrant a new body, but the 40D was. If you had a 30D, the 40D wasn't enough, but this 50D could be enough to warrant the upgrade. The cameras in this line tend to be such great performers (the 20D still makes one of the best value back-up bodies around), you really need to wait for two revs worth of new features to break the piggy bank again. There's nothing here to force me to retire my 40D, but I'm betting the 60D will make my x-mas list next year (since the line seems to refresh each August these days).
            • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

              Tue, August 26, 2008 - 10:24 PM
              What's already in your lens kit may have some bearing on your decision.

              I do think 15 mpixels is compelling, but that's in the context of other things too, like fps and the sheer quality of 42-bit color (14-bits per tri-stimulus value) given the lens options, versus the others.

              There will also be differences between Nikon, Sony, and Canon models for color rendition, sharpness, fps, noise, and separate other factors that depend on the lens/camera combination.

              Because the lens matters too, what's not clear in terms of price/performance is which system is "better" on the basis of body + lens total system cost. I don't have time to do this research for each major manufacturer, but knowing that data could be compelling one way or the other. I'm reasonably certain Canon has more variety of lenses than Nikon or Sony, and in most focal lengths they are stronger or equivalent. Even Nikon's excellent wide-angle glass now has a Canon competitor.

              While I have an investment in Canon glass, irrespectively, an absolute show-stopper for me is that Nikon does not have ISO < 200.

              Blessings and Light,
              M
            • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

              Tue, August 26, 2008 - 10:51 PM
              Nothing makes this more compelling. At a certain point people are going to realize that only so many pixels can be meaningfully jammed onto a sensor... If you scale up 15MP on a DX senor to the number of pixels that you'd get on a FX sensor, you get 42MP. This to me shows how meaningless such a density is. Only the sharpest of lenses can make good use of densities like this. To me, this is simply a marketing gimmick.
              • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

                Tue, August 26, 2008 - 11:00 PM
                The sharpest of lenses are available. More pixels means significantly more freedom to crop shots. It's not only a marketing gimmick to have the point-spread function become increasingly spike-like on these new camera bodies; and this trend is absolutely forcing better lens design across all product price points. I think of this as progress ...
                • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

                  Sun, August 31, 2008 - 8:50 PM
                  Michael, you say the sharpest of lenses are available and I agree with you. However, think the camera buyer would be better of with a reasonable FX sensor camera and good lenses rather than a super dense DX camera and super lenses. A set of L lenses on top of a 50D will push the buyer well into pro price territory even though the 50D clearly isn't a pro camera.
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                    Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

                    Sun, August 31, 2008 - 10:12 PM
                    Gary,

                    I think Canon agrees with you. This is why they have completely new EF-S lenses with moderately fast aperture. The totally new 18-200mm is for the 1.6X line of cameras, and not the professional bodies. And IS is very handy for certain situations not involving fast action, like landscape photography. Here's a review of the brand-new very high-quality super zoom, equivalent to 29mm - 320mm focal length:
                    www.dpreview.com/previews/...p5-5p6_is/

                    Canon has not abandoned the APS-C format sensor line, they've actually expanded it. These are not professional lenses, and their price points are rather modest for the performance attained. These are not L-series weight, durability, and ultimate sharpness lenses, but for f-stops >= f/3.5, I believe the test reports will indicate that the sharpness, coma, bokeh, and chromatic aberration are really quite good on these pro-sumer lenses. These are not crap lenses, and a 10:1 zoom lens with IS seems incredibly useful.

                    So, I keep thinking about the cameras as complete systems, bodies + lenses, not just a body from one manufacturer versus that of another. It's really understanding the offerings in the entire line. For example, the Canon tilt-shift lenses still work on the 50D, to enable perspective correction directly in-camera. At the same time, looking backwards, the new 18-200mm super zoom will also work on the 40D, the 30D, and 20D (but not the 10D). So thee better optics, wrought from advanced technology, are available as well for the older DSLR cameras.

                    Aside from matching or excelling the competition, another way to look at the 50D is that it's really just the first of a series of cameras, the next batch of which will most-likely be the professional bodies. Correspondingly, I'd imagine (but have no insider knowledge whatsoever) that there will also be some additions, upgrades, and/or makeover of the full lens line, across all price points.

                    Blessings and Light,
                    M
              • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

                Tue, September 9, 2008 - 8:39 PM
                It's highest "true" ISO is 3200. For people who rely on this, that's a big deal. I doubt if it's as good as the Mk3 at 3200, but it's supposedly 1.5 stops better than the 40D pushed to 3200. I think the 40D at 1600 is worse than the 30D as far as it's noise pattern and have all but given up photography until the 50D or (more likely) next pro body (Mk3 successor) is in my hands.
      • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

        Tue, August 26, 2008 - 10:48 PM
        Some things do make sense, but a little technical reasoning is potentially helpful ...

        Aside from the cost-basis argument that Brad raised, not having a full-frame is is actually technologically a very good idea for a certain regime of focal lengths and medium-speed apertures.

        When you are using a 1.6x or 1.3x FoV camera, the cropping of the lens view uses the very much sweeter spot of the lens, namely the center portion. It's a lot harder to NOT get vignetting and pin-cushion distortion with glass of a certain calibre, using only the central portion, and virtually none of the edge portion.

        With EF-S lenses, the output image circle is intentionally set farther back into the body toward the image plane. The cropped view of the lens required to attain excellent image quality (for a given f/stop) is actually smaller than when the lens has to provide an output image circle for a 24mm x 36mm image sensor. The new higher-quality EF-S lenses, like the brand new 18-200mm (29-320mm equivalent with FoV factor of 1.6X, per APS-C image sensors) also have larger input apertures, e.g. a 72mm filter ring. But if you look carefully, the first glass of the lens itself does not extend all the way to the edges, so that would indicate that for the zoom range, the input/output image circle sizes are well-optimized, e.g. the amount of glass material, and it's type and quality can be tweaked for excellent over-all performance given the output image circle size.

        Blessings and Light,
        M
  • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

    Wed, August 27, 2008 - 2:42 PM
    Michael and others, could someone explain in plain english, lay terms why Canon decided to have 15 megapixel in APS-c sensor size instead of updating Canon 5D 12.8 megapixel, and why is the later less in megapixel but smaller sensor? I sort of know the answer, but I would like to have a better way of explaining this to our accountants at our office for the next purchase.
    • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

      Wed, August 27, 2008 - 3:56 PM
      • Re: Canon Announces 15-megapixel 50D

        Wed, August 27, 2008 - 6:15 PM
        abject,

        I was going to say you might want to see what Chuck Westfall has to say, and these articles seem to do cover that ground.

        Wow this is a really exciting time for DSLR technology. It's becoming apparent that close to 16-bit tristimulus values are becoming possible, smart pixel algorithms like pixel binning, and ISOs like 12800 and 25600 are going to be quite likely. Advances like this add so much more exposure latitude, they allow things that were not possible before, and were never possible with film while also having very high image quality. I'm already obtaining really good results with ISO 3200 with fast lenses in dim light situations, and tolerable performance with ISO 6400 (on a 1D Mark III). A whole another stop of light gathering, combined with 1 to 1.5 stops of lower noise (according to Westfall) is very compelling for crisp, clean images taken in typical stage or event lighting. And to reprise an earlier thread Brad started on ISOs versus lens aperture, very high ISOs bring significant more utility to the lens having a maximum f/3.5 to f/5.6 aperture.

        Exciting!

        Blessings and Light,
        M

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