Nikon Versus Olympus test pics

topic posted Fri, February 13, 2009 - 9:18 PM by 
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I just posted a pic of an interesting test here. There are advantages in shooting in more than one system. If you look at the pic I posted labelled "Nikon versus Olympus," some interesting things come to light (no pun intended). First the obvious difference is the aspect ratio. I'll get to that in a moment. I used the Nikon D200 and the Olympus E-3, both 10MP DSLRs, set to their respective highest jpeg settings with equal sharpening and the same exposure, although I took the images a couple of weeks apart. I used the Nikon 12-24 lens and the Olympus 9-18. Both were given the same exact post adjustment in Paint Shop Pro. Because of their different sensor sizes, both these lenses were technically supposed to give the same angle of view along the vertical axis; ie the equivalent of 18mm in 35mm photography terms. Clearly, the Olympus gave way more coverage on all fronts. Theoretically, the Olympus should have produced a less sharp, higher noise image due to the smaller "Four Thirds" sensor versus the Nikon's "APS-C" sensor. Clearly not the case, and the focusing point was the same. Not only was the E-3 and its lens sharper, but there was much more detail in highlights and shadows than the Nikon. Of course, I thought though, that there was a it, but not much over-esposure on the E-3 highlights. So, what was the point of this? To see how much in-camera software has to do with the image in comparison to sensor size. Thoughts?
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  • Re: Nikon Versus Olympus test pics

    Fri, February 13, 2009 - 9:46 PM
    I think that you would actually get better data points if the shots were done at the same time. A span between shots of a few weeks makes it more difficult to see actual results. More dust in the air, a more intense light, many things can affect the quality beyond the cameras and settings. I tried to enlarge the image, and it won't. Don't know if it's tribe or the shots, but i could only see them displayed size.

    What math did you use to insure that both lens were set for equivalent? Even a small amount of error could account for your results. I would be interested in seeing them shot at the same time, without a tripod move, just switch camera and shoot. And both the whole image as well as an enlargement would help on evaluation.

    Interesting shots, I like the perspective.
  • Re: Nikon Versus Olympus test pics

    Sat, February 14, 2009 - 12:12 AM
    ww,

    Very interesting. I was able to view the larger photo, and see. I'll describe what I see, I hope useful.

    One question on procedure first: Was the exposure set exactly the same, or metered then set for EV0? Either the shot with the E3 had more light from below, or else somebody cleaned those yellow lights or boxes in frame center. The Nikon D200 looks much dirtier on the day that photo was taken, or it might have been less well lit from below, compared with the Olympus W3.

    The E3/lens might appear sharper, but I'm wondering if this is possibly just better contrast, hence edge detail? The blacks on the Olympus E3 are velvety dark, reminds me of a shot after processing through Noise Ninja. The D200 by comparison has very visible classic Bayes sensor grain.

    For the Olympus E3, I sense a very slight blue shift, compared to Nikon D200. The "W" sign at the top of the building, and the hotel/theatre sign, are both distinctly more blue than for the Nikon D200. Also, on the Olympus E3 shot, there appears to be a paler or blue-green rendering for the "Broadway" sign.

    The Nikon D200 held the full tone range better though, IMHO. There's a lighted sign at frame left in both shots, and despite the bright lights impinging in the direct view, the Nikon shows color on that sign. For the Olympus E3 in that same area (albeit a slightly different view) the sign is completely washed out, and at the top edge of it, there appears to be several chromatic aberration.

    Wrt to the apparently clean blacks on the Olympus E3, IMHO, in the shot with the Nikon, the main direct incident light appears to have a very slight cant wrt level in the frame ... that might be the source of extra glare, which would read as noise. Whereas, for the Olympus E3 shot, that same light appear to be truly in-axis, wrt the frame (e.g. zero degrees of horizontal angle, forming clean coplanarity). This light (or camera, possibly) in the Nikon D200 shot does not appear coplanar with the image plane of the camera .. so with a variety of refractive surfaces being traversed, glare is a given ... and that's what shows up as yellowish black grain. It might be that the Olympus would do a similar thing, given similar bright and apparently off-axis light. If the E3 were to experience glare, then contrast would be reduced rather than enhanced, thus leading to a less crisply sharp shot. Perhaps just the glare is what is making the Nikon D200 appear less sharp?

    Really appreciate your sharing this. You have done a fabulous test. I wonder about these things all the time myself, esp. the imaging issues over the 4/3 system. But, per Scott's suggestion, a very slightly more rigorous test might be more revealing?

    For example, have a marked reference spot, obtained using a plumb line drawn down from the tripod, and then use of a level on the tripod, to assure that both cameras are taking a shot in the same plane; and of course doing both shots with both cameras within a short time interval.

    Blessings and Light,
    M
    • Re: Nikon Versus Olympus test pics

      Sat, February 14, 2009 - 7:09 AM
      Both shots had that exact reference spot, and exposure was set exactly the same. Just to note, I did the shots in differnt versions, both on P and both manually and still found pretty much the same things in comparison. Michael, your analysis I think is pretty spot on and there are definite color biases. While The E-3 actually got a truer green of the Broadway sign than the Nikon, I felt you are correct about some of the color differences. I think that the different aspect ratios that the cameras shoot in also accounts for what light affects the image n the frames. Of course lens contrasts have a lot to do with it too. I'll be posting some more "versus" pics shot under other conditions too. So, it just goes to show you that the smaller "four thirds" sensor can actually hold it's own with the "APS-C" sensors, I think. Eventually I'll get the D700 and do a comparison on a full-frame, but until that time when the economy picks up.......

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